{"id":129467,"date":"2022-11-03T12:18:05","date_gmt":"2022-11-03T12:18:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/news.microsoft.com\/?p=447572"},"modified":"2022-11-03T12:18:05","modified_gmt":"2022-11-03T12:18:05","slug":"podcast-teen-vogue-editor-in-chief-versha-sharma-on-what-gen-z-wants-out-of-work","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sickgaming.net\/blog\/2022\/11\/03\/podcast-teen-vogue-editor-in-chief-versha-sharma-on-what-gen-z-wants-out-of-work\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast: Teen Vogue Editor in Chief Versha Sharma on what Gen Z wants out of work"},"content":{"rendered":"
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TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>That\u2019s Versha Sharma, editor in chief of Teen Vogue<\/i>. In today\u2019s episode, I talk with her all about Gen Z. She shares her insights on what Gen Z wants out of work, how employers can attract and retain young talent, and what the future of work might look like as the youngest working generation grows into leadership roles. Later, we\u2019ll hear from WorkLab<\/i> correspondent Desmond Dickerson and Hannah McConnaughey, a Microsoft manager and Gen Z member herself. They\u2019ll fill us in on some of the most common work-related buzzwords that young people are using and what they mean. First, here\u2019s my conversation with Versha.<\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY:<\/b> Versha Sharma, welcome. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Hi. Thank you so much for having me. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>You know, I had a chance to check out your Instagram\u2014I happen to follow you now. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Awesome. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>And one thing that struck me was the freedom that you have to express your opinion on all sorts of topics. It really got me thinking that while older consumers, news consumers particularly, subscribe to a very traditional presentation of journalism, the facts essentially separated from opinion. Do you find that your audience of readers, Gen Zers specifically, almost expect for you to have an opinion? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Yes, absolutely. I think it is a very old, traditional worldview that believes in so-called objectivity in journalism, or neutrality\u2014both-sides journalism. You know, millennials, and I am a millennial, led the charge in the workplace, and in newsrooms especially, to kind of dismantle those ideas and understand and try to make leaders and audiences understand that it\u2019s okay for journalists to be human and to express their humanity when they\u2019re reporting on a story or working on a story. And then I think that has only continued with Gen Z, who understand and demand that even more in their leaders and in their journalists. And so I think that\u2019s where a lot of that comes from. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>How does this sensibility translate in the workplace? You know, it wasn\u2019t that long ago that workplace experts were basically advising against employees to reveal too much of themselves online. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Yeah, I think it\u2019s also part of the nature of where we are as a country and in the world right now. And this also shapes a lot of Generation Z\u2019s worldview. It\u2019s the climate crisis. It\u2019s living through two years of a pandemic. It\u2019s inflation or a coming global recession, everything that\u2019s going on with the labor market. They\u2019re dealing with crippling student debt. Again, it\u2019s really young people, including millennials, who entered the workforce after the 2008 financial crisis. It\u2019s these groups of people who have entered the workplace at very uncertain times and at times when we\u2019re dealing with really extreme problems. That\u2019s why a lot of Gen Zers understand that you just have to be honest about where we are and be reflective of reality. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>All of those major issues that you just talked about, Teen Vogue<\/i> made this deliberate shift to focus on some of those bigger systemic issues, and global issues as well, back in 2016. It still covers fashion, relationships, pop culture, but also identity and politics. How has the publication changed from when you were a young reader? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>It\u2019s changed a lot, and I\u2019m very excited about that and very excited to be part of that. I think, as you said, 2016 was a big part of that shift. You know, when I was younger, it was Teen Vogue<\/i> as well as Cosmo<\/i>, YM<\/i> magazine, if anybody remembers that. It was all about love, relationships, dating, and of course style and fashion, which we do continue to cover, and it\u2019s still very popular content among our audience. But I would say 2016 was just a political awakening for an entire generation. I think about 17-year-old Darnella Frazier, who filmed that video of George Floyd being killed by the police, and the fact that she was 17. She had to go through this trauma, she has had to relive that trauma over and over because of news coverage and through the trial. And she remains somebody who is still very engaged, at times hopeful, but also understandably cynical and skeptical of the system and the world that we live in. And she just stands to me as a really good example of this generation, who, when they see injustice, they want to capture it. They want to make people aware of it. They want to do something about it. And they\u2019re not content to sit back and just let it be. They want to change it. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>Gen Z is on track to be the most educated generation yet. How does that inform the approach to the content your team creates? I mean, you\u2019re talking to an audience that knows a lot and has access to a lot of information. They want smart content. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>There has long been a misconception in the news industry that young people don\u2019t care about hard news, that they\u2019d rather be scrolling on Instagram, looking at their favorite celebrities, and copying whatever hairstyle trend is blowing up on TikTok. And there\u2019s no reason why they can\u2019t do both, right, they can\u2019t do all of it. But young people are incredibly engaged, incredibly informed on these issues. They\u2019re hungry for more information. The fact that they are digital and social natives means they\u2019re also more globally connected than ever before. They care about what\u2019s happening in other countries, to their peers in other countries, because they see it and they want to understand how all of these crises are connected and what the bigger picture is. And so I think there\u2019s a lot of incredible room for maneuvering for Teen Vogue<\/i>. And that\u2019s exactly the sweet spot that we try to hit. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>Most Gen Zers have never experienced working in a traditional office. What have you learned about what they value when it comes to a work environment? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>I think more than anything, they value flexibility. That\u2019s again, of course, something that has come up during the pandemic especially. But Cond\u00e9 Nast is currently in this hybrid flex remote-slash-office situation that I think a lot of companies find themselves in. And that\u2019s exactly what they want. They want that flexibility. They need that flexibility. Managers should be able to give that to them. But it is important to give them opportunities to come in person, you know, benefits or encouragements to do so. Because I do believe that they miss that they\u2019re missing out and that they miss having that in-person human connection with their managers, with their peers, with their colleagues. I think they\u2019re also hungry for training, development, and mentorship, and that can take place on any platform. It doesn\u2019t have to be in person, but making them feel like you\u2019re actually investing in them as leaders is also important. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>Versha, up until the pandemic, Gen Zers were actually primed to enter a very strong workforce and economy. Things have shifted so dramatically. What is the sentiment you\u2019re hearing from Gen Zers about their outlook on the future and the choices before them? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>You know, I think there is understandably a lot of nervousness, a lot of skepticism, and sometimes cynicism. And so I think these experiences are continuing to shape who they are. It may be another reason why I believe statistically they\u2019re more willing to job hop. They\u2019re not as tied down to any one job for any period of time as previous generations. And so I think it affects their worldview and it affects their behavior. But if an employer can offer that sense of stability and security, then I believe they can retain talent as well. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>We were looking at the Microsoft Trend Index that found 70 percent of Gen Z workers around the world are considering earning additional income through a side hustle outside of their day job. I\u2019m wondering what that might mean for leaders as they think about designing roles for the future. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Yeah, I think when we\u2019re looking at those statistics, I\u2019m also curious how many of those young people feel that they need a side hustle, feel they may not be making enough money from their day job to support themselves, because I know that\u2019s a huge issue. I just think that, again, it goes back to this idea of Gen Z demanding more and demanding better and not being afraid to do that because they see the inequality in the systems and they want to change that. What I would also say about side hustles is if somebody feels like their job does not afford them the kind of creativity they want, then a side hustle becomes an outlet for that. For example, our senior fashion and beauty editor, who\u2019s wonderful, is also a deejay in her spare time. And she\u2019s wonderful at that too. And so I think it\u2019s also important to allow people to continue to pursue their personal interests as well. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>You\u2019re squarely a millennial. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>I am. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>So you\u2019re in the middle between Gen Z and Gen X. As I\u2019m listening to you, I\u2019m just wondering, your thoughts on how a leader navigates three different generational expectations of work and workplace culture. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>That is a great question. One of the first or most useful things I learned when becoming a manager or a middle manager is not that you just have to manage down, but that you also have to manage up and sideways laterally as well. Even being the editor in chief of the publication, I\u2019m still reporting to Anna Wintour, who is my boss, and she of course does come from a different generation. So I think it\u2019s being aware of those boundaries, it\u2019s being aware of what those differences are, and adjusting your communication skills as you may need to or adapting to them, but also just being sure that you\u2019re being clear, as clear as possible, when managing both up, down, and sideways. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>The media has received quite a bit of criticism for focusing on the experiences of people on the coasts, on the West Coast and the East Coast. You were born and raised in the South, in Louisiana. How does your background maybe inform your approach to understanding Generation Z? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>I love that you asked that question. It reminds me of when I first took on the job. I was speaking to our executive editor, who\u2019s this amazing woman, Dani Kwateng, who\u2019s been at Teen Vogue<\/i> for a number of years now. And she pointed something out to me that I didn\u2019t quite realize that I was doing. I was describing myself as a brown girl from the South repeatedly or, you know, different times in conversation. And she was like, \u2018You keep saying that. Why is that important to you?\u2019 And it\u2019s important to me because it has absolutely shaped my identity and worldview. I grew up in the Bible Belt. I was raised Hindu. I was discriminated against both for my family\u2019s religion and, of course, the color of my skin. I came of age in high school right after 9\/11. I\u2019ll never forget, on 9\/11, a classmate yelled at me to go back to Afghanistan. Besides just being puzzled because my family\u2019s not from Afghanistan, they\u2019re Indian, for one thing. It was just that immediate rush to blame and discrimination. And unfortunately, we did see a national and global increase in hate crimes against people of South Asian descent. Of course, there\u2019s a lot of Islamophobia. So all of that has definitely come together to shape who I am. I think a big part of my focus editorially is elevating voices from marginalized and underrepresented communities. It comes from growing up seeing these magazines, never seeing anybody who looks like me on the cover of any of them. Never seeing a person with a name like mine on the masthead. And I\u2019m just really proud that I could be part of this generation\u2014both millennials and Gen Z\u2014who can be part of this change. I mean, there are so many South Asian editors in chief in the US right now. It\u2019s incredible. There are so many women editors in chief. It\u2019s just a really diverse generation that is now taking on these leadership roles. And I think that matters because it means we\u2019re hearing voices that we have not heard for literally hundreds of years. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>Versha, thank you so much for sharing that story, because what that also makes me think about is the building of more diverse teams. Teen Vogue<\/i> is very diverse, and when you have a diverse team and you want people to bring their full selves, that means they\u2019re also bringing traumatic experiences that they\u2019ve had in other places. How is mental health addressed at Teen Vogue<\/i> when you have folks talking about very personal experiences and things in their lives to inform the content? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Yeah, I think it\u2019s incredibly important to us at Teen Vogue<\/i>, both because it\u2019s important to us as people on staff and it\u2019s really important to our audience. You may have seen some of the statistics about the crisis of mental health among young people, in particular the ways that the pandemic has affected them, the loneliness and social isolation that a lot of them feel. It\u2019s a real problem and we\u2019re really concerned about it. At Teen Vogue<\/i>, specifically among the staff and in the workplace, we encourage people to be as open as possible about how they\u2019re doing, how they\u2019re feeling, because ignoring it and burying it isn\u2019t going to get you anywhere. I\u2019m very open myself. I go to therapy. I\u2019ve been going to therapy for years. I think everybody should, I recommend it to everybody. Multiple of our editors and staffers also go to therapy and talk about it. We\u2019re also very open about things like anxiety or depression or other mental health issues that may be affecting us or other people on staff. And I think fostering that open communication and allowing people to feel safe in expressing how they\u2019re feeling is really important. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>How can leaders continue to support mental health efforts as managers are also dealing with the realities of shrinking budgets and other work demands? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>I think even as budgets are being cut, you have to prioritize it. It costs nothing to be a leader or a manager with empathy\u2014to show that to your employees, to check in with them, ask them how they\u2019re doing and genuinely care about it. Again, we\u2019re very open about it at Teen Vogue<\/i> because it is so important to us and our audience. If someone needs a personal day or a mental health day, that\u2019s something that doesn\u2019t really cost a lot in the long run and will actually be better for the long-term health of an organization and staff. And so I think paying attention to these low-cost or no-cost things that you can do as a manager in the workplace, you can still continue to show that you\u2019re prioritizing mental health in that way. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>How do you think these future leaders will impact the world? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>I think they\u2019re absolutely going to change it. But I do think we have already seen real impact and change and we\u2019ll continue to see this at the institutional and systemic level especially, because this generation understands the scope of those problems and they understand that they are systemic. It\u2019s not down to any one individual but rather the collective of individuals, the entire community, the corporations, the people and leaders in charge, that it\u2019s incumbent on them to address these longstanding issues. I think it\u2019s fantastic and we\u2019re all going to benefit from it. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>Yes. Okay, so you\u2019ve been the editor in chief for a little over a year. This is also a fashion magazine, so we have to ask you this: what is up with office fashion, and what will Gen Z be wearing to work over the next few years when they\u2019re in their 30s? <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Oh, man, when they\u2019re in their 30s \u2026 that is a great question. I don\u2019t know that part of it and I look forward to finding out. I would say right now it\u2019s a mix. We\u2019re talking about how much these employees value their individuality and their ability and freedom to express their identity. And so that\u2019s a huge part of the fashion. We\u2019re not talking about being flat or having bland corporate professional looks but being yourself, being trendy and stylish. You know, what we see in our workplace often are colorful blazers or, you know, dress-and-boot combos, lots of jumpsuits, fun and functional accessories, I would say. One thing I do love right now is the Y2K nostalgia trend. I probably should have predicted it, but I didn\u2019t quite see it coming for how popular it was. So maybe in 10 years when they\u2019re in their 30s they\u2019ll be paying homage to 2010 fashion. We\u2019ll have to see. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>Oh my gosh, I think you\u2019re right. What I\u2019m also hearing from you, though, is that expression and the expression of your individual self is something that is valued with Gen Zers, they value that, and it also should be a value within teams and workplaces. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Yes, absolutely. I think collaboration is the key to success in a lot of organizations, and again, certainly across the news industry. That\u2019s the only way we\u2019re all going to survive, is collaboration. But what that means is you still have to listen to the individual people and teams and make sure people feel their voices are being heard, that their true selves are being seen. Because when you have that base level of human recognition, then people are going to put their best into their work. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>Versha Sharma, thank you so much for this conversation. <\/p>\n

VERSHA SHARMA: <\/b>Thank you. I\u2019ve really enjoyed this. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>Next up, our correspondent Desmond Dickerson and Hannah McConnaughey, a communications manager at Microsoft and member of Gen Z herself, break down the most common Gen Z buzzwords that relate to work. <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>Hi, I\u2019m Hannah, and I\u2019m down to be your Duolingo for kids. <\/p>\n

DESMOND DICKERSON: <\/b>Perfect. All right, so tell us about the 5 to 9 concept. <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>So the 5 to 9 refers to either 5 a.m. to 9 a.m. or 5 p.m. to 9 p.m. And it\u2019s really about putting some of that focus outside of those hours you spend working, what your job is, how that is part of your identity, and thinking more about, do you have a side hustle? Do you love your yoga practice? Even just romanticizing rest, which, as we come out of this hustle culture era, I think has been both really inspiring to see and I think hopefully in the long term, better for people. <\/p>\n

DESMOND DICKERSON: <\/b>So the next phrase we\u2019re talking about: explain to the audience girlboss<\/i>. <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>Girlboss might not be a new word to a lot of you, but I\u2019m here to tell you no one should be out there using it unironically. The girlboss kind of heralds this era, I would say millennial era. When I was growing up, that was all about the She-EO, the mom-trepreneur, and the girlboss. And now there\u2019s this pushback, not only on how gendered it is, you know, don\u2019t call me mom-trepreneur, I\u2019m just an entrepreneur, but also the way that it glamorized the hustle culture we were talking about before and making your work and what you do this defining aspect of you instead of something that\u2019s a part of a bigger life. So, for example, you know, Desmond, if you told me, like, \u2018Oh, my gosh, I\u2019ve been in back-to-back meetings all day\u2019 or \u2018I killed that deliverable.\u2019 I\u2019d be like, \u2018That\u2019s so girlboss of you.\u2019 You use it with a little bit of a wink. A little tongue in cheek. <\/p>\n

DESMOND DICKERSON: <\/b>Got it. Okay, so it\u2019s pass\u00e9 at this point. It\u2019s done. It\u2019s canceled. Okay, cool. So, in a work context, what does Gen Z mean when they say gatekeep<\/i>. <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>To gatekeep means to keep something under wraps, to keep it on the DL\u2014down low\u2014and kind of try to keep it for yourself. So maybe that\u2019s a PowerPoint hack that makes your slides look just a little bit better than everyone else\u2019s, or a really cool keyboard shortcut or something like that. <\/p>\n

DESMOND DICKERSON: <\/b>Okay. Now moving on to the next phrase: sport mode<\/i>. What does that have to do with work? <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>So sport mode is when you are in that athlete, like, let\u2019s-go-win-this mindset. So maybe if you have a big presentation coming up, maybe if you\u2019re ready to impress your boss, or something is going off the rails and you\u2019re going into sport mode, you need to fix it. <\/p>\n

DESMOND DICKERSON: <\/b>Got it. So the next phrase is flop<\/i>. What does that have to do with work? <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>A flop is when you did not nail it. You did not hit it out of the park. It\u2019s basically the equivalent of a sad trombone sound. So maybe the stakeholders didn\u2019t like the draft that you gave them, maybe your boss shot down this idea that you thought was brilliant, or a meeting that you spent a ton of time planning for got canceled. That would be a flop. And then if that keeps happening and you feel like it\u2019s this theme in your life, that might be a flop era. <\/p>\n

DESMOND DICKERSON: <\/b>Oh, no. So how do you bounce back from the flop? <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>You go into sport mode. <\/p>\n

DESMOND DICKERSON: <\/b>There we go. Okay. What does vibe shift<\/i> mean? <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>That\u2019s when you can tell the tides have turned on something. So an example would be the girlboss thing. For a while, that was this term taken on as empowering, as a badge of honor. And then you could tell that there were these cultural forces or a mindset shift that turned the tide. And now we\u2019ve U-turned a little bit, and now it\u2019s not it anymore. <\/p>\n

DESMOND DICKERSON: <\/b>Got it. Okay. What is not it<\/i>? <\/p>\n

HANNAH MCCONNAUGHEY: <\/b>So Gen Z is all about sensing the energy of something, the vibes of something, like we just talked about, and not it<\/i> means that the vibes are off. <\/p>\n

TONYA MOSLEY: <\/b>That\u2019s it for this episode of the WorkLab<\/i> podcast from Microsoft. Please subscribe and check back for the next episode of WorkLab<\/i>, where my co-host, Elise Hu, will be speaking with Harvard Business School professor Linda Hill about the new skills that help people work better now. And please rate us, review, and follow us wherever you listen. It really helps us out. The WorkLab<\/i> podcast is a place for experts to share their insights and opinions as students of the future of work. Microsoft values inputs from a diverse set of voices. That said, the opinions and findings of our guests are their own and may not necessarily reflect Microsoft\u2019s own research or positions. And if you\u2019ve got a question, we\u2019d love to hear from you. You can drop us an email at worklab@microsoft.com. And check out the WorkLab digital publication too, where you can find the latest Work Trend Index report, as well as a transcript of this episode. You can find everything at Microsoft.com\/WorkLab. WorkLab<\/i> is produced by Microsoft and Godfrey Dadich Partners and Reasonable Volume. I\u2019m your host, Tonya Mosley. Our correspondents are Mary Melton and Desmond Dickerson. Sharon Kallander and Matthew Duncan produced this podcast, and Jessica Voelker is the WorkLab editor. Thank you for listening.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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